tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post3708350278188715015..comments2024-01-01T03:38:13.643-05:00Comments on We Talk of Christ, We Rejoice In Christ: Teaching Teens to Avoid PornographyJocelyn Christensenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10342635172904848811noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-9730096516092626002012-10-25T18:36:19.596-04:002012-10-25T18:36:19.596-04:00Thank you, Becky! This has been something I'v...Thank you, Becky! This has been something I've been studying and teaching about a lot this year...My book "God Gave You a Body" also touches on pornography...teaching kids at a younger level of course! It's an important thing to teach!! Glad we're on the same team! :)Jocelyn Christensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342635172904848811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-21869739406732905572012-10-25T18:27:05.929-04:002012-10-25T18:27:05.929-04:00This is the first time I've seen your blog. I ...This is the first time I've seen your blog. I loved your points in this presentation! I've had opportunities to speak to LDS groups about cleaning up our media. It is such a vital topic these days. I also loved your post about the Book of Mormon party. One of my friends showed it to me and she wants to host one for Halloween, rather than focusing on all the gore, fear, and darkness usually associated with Halloween. Thanks for such a genuine, uplifting blog full of worthwhile, meaty messages. Love it!Becky Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15435542590834561436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-88019624466431995492012-09-17T04:25:19.716-04:002012-09-17T04:25:19.716-04:00Thanks for this, Jocelyn! I taught the "Avoid...Thanks for this, Jocelyn! I taught the "Avoiding degrading media influences" lesson in YW yesterday and used the story about the Rayadites - hit just the right note - I wanted them to understand where I was coming from without being "too heavy" right off the bat. Was a great opener. Chantellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184395185891560021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-65044385606304087922012-07-21T08:22:08.333-04:002012-07-21T08:22:08.333-04:00So true!So true!Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-32333195311220943262012-07-21T00:38:25.334-04:002012-07-21T00:38:25.334-04:00É tão importante ensinar desde pequeno sobre a por...É tão importante ensinar desde pequeno sobre a pornografia para que já cresçam com este assunto em suas mentes. Os jovens são muito, muito inteligentes e têm a tecnologia em mãos para acessar quando e o que quiserem, e é isso o que me preocupa pois não está somente em Internet e revistas, mas também na televisão.♥ Camilla Pereira ♥http://twitter.com/CamillaSUDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-55312984683923842052012-07-10T10:39:53.751-04:002012-07-10T10:39:53.751-04:00Good Job! I think this is such an important subje...Good Job! I think this is such an important subject that "our girls and young women" dont' get enough of. I am reminded of Julie B. Becks classic landmark talk Teaching the Doctrine of the Family { http://www.lds.org/liahona/2011/03/teaching-the-doctrine-of-the-family?lang=eng&query=*+(name%3a"Julie+B.+Beck")} where she spells out very clearly that the new target for pornography is young women and we need to do everything in our power to prepare them for what they face. Great post!Susan Rustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-22420641538956689432012-07-06T11:34:09.251-04:002012-07-06T11:34:09.251-04:00Good job, Jocelyn. As a singles ward bishop, my hu...Good job, Jocelyn. As a singles ward bishop, my husband is dismayed by what a huge problem pornography is for our young people.<br /><br />"/Suehttp://grannysuesnews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-63755681237791552622012-07-06T00:34:32.661-04:002012-07-06T00:34:32.661-04:00Awesome post/Talk Jocelyn! This is such a huge th...Awesome post/Talk Jocelyn! This is such a huge thing right now. I see so many families torn apart in just my little ward because of this issue. Teach them young!!!<br /><br />PS. I love your cute growing belly! I'm so excited for you!!Kendranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-30498944025419123302012-07-04T16:22:23.544-04:002012-07-04T16:22:23.544-04:00What a fantastic start in teaching YW about the da...What a fantastic start in teaching YW about the dangers of pornography. The seduction of it too. It's real and it doesn't just affect boys/men. While I hate that we live in times where we NEED this kind of information to armor ourselves against the evils of the world, I am so grateful that there is someone out there who is actually following through with talking about it and teaching about it. This post made me smile. Thank you.sariqdhttp://sariqd.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-33441571559523879262012-07-04T04:54:00.144-04:002012-07-04T04:54:00.144-04:00Thanks for sharing this, Jocelyn.
If I may, I wan...Thanks for sharing this, Jocelyn.<br /><br />If I may, I wanted to respond to Erin Ann. I think it's essential to understand how addiction works and what our doctrine is regarding sexuality and intimacy so as to be able to separate out what the world is telling us from truth.<br /><br />First of all, I think it's essential to separate out love from lust. It IS a sin to lust, even if one abstains from sexual behavior before marriage. If a man (or woman) lusts before marriage, he/she will almost without exception continue to struggle with it after. One of the lies Satan tells is that all you really have to do before marriage is not act out sexually...that looking or thinking/lusting is no big deal. But that is a lie. Chastity is more than just avoiding sexual intercourse. It's about learning to live in a truly pure state of mind and heart. Virtue is power. Expecting a marriage to fill a need for lust is something that will set our youth up for heartache. Again, marriage doesn't cure such habits or addictions. And I think young women need to understand this as well. <br /><br />This little video captures some of the problem here. It's talking about young men, but the same could be true for young women:<br /><br />http://vimeo.com/44671631<br /><br />Another video is somewhat long but features some experts on addiction, who also talk about how to help our children avoid it:<br /><br />http://byutv.org/watch/b933fe5c-3201-4cca-a124-e4e6492a9122#ooid=ZvazJuMTop5S0AEO2UsDn03tvm3y_6Qx<br /><br />I should note that many men have had the seeds of addiction planted before they had even reached the age of accountability, so the adversary really is working hard to expose children at younger and younger ages. That may also help if you do end up hearing someday about someone with an addiction. So often, addicts themselves are victims at some level. They'll need help to find recovery...but recovery is possible.<br /><br />Lastly, piggybacking off my comment about compassion, I agree with Erin Ann that we have to be careful about not assuming that people who struggle with addiction are awful people. I love what Stephanie at Diapers and Divinity said -- if a man has a heartbeat, he's probably struggled at some time in some way with being tempted by lust/pornography/etc. It's essential to create a safe place where those we love can talk about those struggles...and to be knowledgeable about what resources are available to help them if they can't seem to stop looking/lusting/acting out. (True recovery involves more than repentance -- addiction is a serious problem and requires help that usually includes not just ecclesiastical support but professional counseling from a sexual addiction specialist and 12-step or other specialized support/group therapy.)<br /><br />Please, sisters, be educated. Don't assume that it's not happening in your world, because it's happening everywhere in our world...both in terms of addiction and also in terms of what Jocelyn is talking about -- woven into ALL facets of society. You may not know it yet, but someone you know is probably struggling. The more educated you are, the more able to love and support you will be when you find out someone you know and love struggles with addiction. And the better you'll be able to help your children navigate these stormy waters and arm them with truth.hopeandhealingadminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04574790718087485848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-29013665741586349862012-07-03T20:25:41.429-04:002012-07-03T20:25:41.429-04:00Hmmm, I think your argument is against your experi...Hmmm, I think your argument is against your experiences in YW, not necessarily my class...For instance, I did talk about repentance as mentioned in the post, I did use frank terms with the girls (not everything was included in this outline). I do NOT think anyone is really "too young" to talk about this with. I've talked about this with my own children (the youngest being age 3). I also have to disagree with your assessment that there isn't a problem with pornography. The definition of pornography that I used in the class includes a much broader problem and that is filthiness that is woven quite skillfully in all aspects of society (namely just about every form of media)...therefore, the "parable" was quite fitting to springboard into a discussion on Satan's tactics to help us gain an appetite for filth, when really what we should be doing is "hungering and thirsting after righteousness." This talk never blamed any one gender for the problem. Instead it placed the burden and responsibility of protection of personal virtue upon each girl. The girls looked rather empowered after our discussion...not confused. But I will agree with you on one thing...the world puts out a lot of half-truths in order to create confusion. I however, did not.Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-87883248491631273512012-07-03T19:58:02.504-04:002012-07-03T19:58:02.504-04:00While it sounds like a great lesson, it leaves me ...While it sounds like a great lesson, it leaves me feeling a bit sad. <br />I've been working with the YW for a few years now (in different roles in different wards). And there is one thing that consistently stands out to me over and over in the lessons- we use made up stories. Fiction. <br />And all fiction stories tend to have a major hole in them. In this case (and in every single "fiction parable" I have heard used in sex talks and pornography talks), it doesn't take into account repentance. (I have stopped letting people get away with using the "dirt on the cookies" example around me. I hate it, it's not right, fails to include repentance and forgiveness, and sends the wrong message overall. When I hear it, I correct it.) <br />Our YW are growing up in a very complicated world. A very grown-up world. So why are we teaching them with juvenile fiction? Could the same lesson have been taught without fiction? If the argument is that the "parables" are easier for the younger girls to understand, then maybe the younger girls are too young to be discussing the topic! <br />Personally, I have not witnessed the plague of pornography I keep hearing about. I don't doubt that it exists, but I have not seen it. I worry if we are teaching our women and YW that it is so abhorrent, that when they see men looking at something that they don't "like" they immediately see it as a sin or awful thing, and then see the man as a sinner or awful? Rather than understanding the intimate needs of the men?? <br />We as women are taught from the minute we are old enough to get married and not tempt the men. The men are taught that their urges are normal, but to put them off until the right time. And the outside world tells us a slew of different things. Somewhere in there, it is not hard to see where confusion and conflict begin. <br />When the outside world is telling us their way feels good, and on our side of things we're explaining it may make you feel yucky, I do not blame either gender for mass confusion.Erin Annhttp://www.erinannie.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-63368302815143027712012-07-03T19:23:39.928-04:002012-07-03T19:23:39.928-04:00Not common at all, but with think it's so cool...Not common at all, but with think it's so cool! Those are all things that women deal with and are exposed to every day and it's great to have the tools to more effectively deal with these issues especially with a spiritual base behind it. It's 2012 and all women and yes, Mormon women too, need to know more than just jello, casseroles and being good wives and mothers, which are all important things as well, but giving some focus to issues like these help us to be better at the aforementioned. Sistas in Zionhttp://www.sistasinzion.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-6086900773719428642012-07-03T19:07:53.714-04:002012-07-03T19:07:53.714-04:00My Mom was part of planning an entire Women's ...My Mom was part of planning an entire Women's Conference in her stake that dealt with habits, addiction, and abuse...She said it was amazing. Not very common to have an entire day dedicated to that.Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-81881177930010182722012-07-03T19:06:16.278-04:002012-07-03T19:06:16.278-04:00Thank you so much!!!! :)Thank you so much!!!! :)Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-72494505214861391102012-07-03T18:57:05.304-04:002012-07-03T18:57:05.304-04:00Thank you so much for sharing Jocelyn. This looks...Thank you so much for sharing Jocelyn. This looks awesome. Speaking of looking awesome, you look so happy and awesome. What a blessing this new little one is for your family. :)J Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-47135677740330412272012-07-03T18:43:58.904-04:002012-07-03T18:43:58.904-04:00It's an excellent Women's Conference topic...It's an excellent Women's Conference topic. Love that your stake president is focusing on awareness for all, not just the boys, men or the youth. Sistas in Zionhttp://www.sistasinzion.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-67861446926595464762012-07-03T18:33:10.263-04:002012-07-03T18:33:10.263-04:00clever, well planned lesson-love your activities-w...clever, well planned lesson-love your activities-what an influence for good you can have on the young women and others you come in contact with...Lin Floydnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-42104258953160954662012-07-03T17:38:33.655-04:002012-07-03T17:38:33.655-04:00thank you for helping me make ALL THOSE BRACELETS,...thank you for helping me make ALL THOSE BRACELETS, Mom!!! :) Couldn't have pulled that off without you! (and without driving to Cleveland for the weekend!)Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-17106764188597476332012-07-03T17:36:02.086-04:002012-07-03T17:36:02.086-04:00excellent. love the bracelet idea.excellent. love the bracelet idea.Susan Hatchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-83029427714067699892012-07-03T17:35:47.217-04:002012-07-03T17:35:47.217-04:00Our stake president is concerned with EVERYONE bei...Our stake president is concerned with EVERYONE being warned about the dangers of pornography. In September, I'll also be speaking at Women's Conference about this topic and at our Stake Conference this was also discussed in the adult session.Jocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-20923492560651453642012-07-03T17:30:50.580-04:002012-07-03T17:30:50.580-04:00Thanks for the correction. I should've double...Thanks for the correction. I should've double-checked that. I've actually met both ladies in my lifetime, Sister Kapp twice (once at my boyfriend's family reunion and again at a YSA conference)...Sweet sweet lady! Thanks again: <br />http://www.lds.org/pa/display/0,17884,6876-1,00.htmlJocelyn Christensenhttp://beinglds.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-87558480538629247102012-07-03T17:21:05.253-04:002012-07-03T17:21:05.253-04:00The girls did learn so much from you, Jocelyn. Th...The girls did learn so much from you, Jocelyn. Thanks so much for being willing to come and share your great knowledge and advice to our girls. This will truly be a camp lesson they will never forget!<br /><br />BeckyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441479949555737409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-76667679343401132702012-07-03T17:13:17.024-04:002012-07-03T17:13:17.024-04:00Your lesson is fabulous, we're sure that it hi...Your lesson is fabulous, we're sure that it hit home with the girls you taught at Girls Camp. It's awesome that your stake is teaching lessons about avoiding pornography to the young women as well, so many times it's thought of as something that only needs to be talked about with the boys, but that couldn't be further from the truth.Sistas in Zionhttp://www.sistasinzion.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-16493850200274897992012-07-03T17:08:19.839-04:002012-07-03T17:08:19.839-04:00The story is from Ardeth G. Kapp. I think you are ...The story is from Ardeth G. Kapp. I think you are confusing Ardeth G. Kapp and Janice Kapp Perry. :) <br /><br />What a great lesson you taught those YW!Leighnoreply@blogger.com