tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post110947285673047510..comments2024-01-01T03:38:13.643-05:00Comments on We Talk of Christ, We Rejoice In Christ: Die Like ShizJocelyn Christensenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10342635172904848811noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-8192628269782426022011-10-23T21:51:04.320-04:002011-10-23T21:51:04.320-04:00Awesome post! What a great way to make this appli...Awesome post! What a great way to make this applicable in our lives!Michaela Stephenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04163084369311708249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-86762323887510362592011-04-29T21:12:12.028-04:002011-04-29T21:12:12.028-04:00Thank you for this. I needed this.Thank you for this. I needed this.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04329431138641112440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-11851286888512354292011-04-29T18:10:25.918-04:002011-04-29T18:10:25.918-04:00Hmmm...I've been thinking a lot about forgivin...Hmmm...I've been thinking a lot about forgiving those in our families who do things that totally bug us. Thanks for your insights. Looks like it's time for me to step up and not die like Shiz.Laceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477546000579809757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-12738511663458852792011-04-29T17:56:15.604-04:002011-04-29T17:56:15.604-04:00Awesome ... the goal of being forgiving. I never t...Awesome ... the goal of being forgiving. I never thought about looking for the application of this story. (More and more I'm seeing the "purpose" for all of those dreadfully bloody war chapters.) I have friends/family who have refused to forgive a perceived injustice at Church and in so doing have killed the testimony in their hearts and in their children's, cutting themselves off from the source of life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03509169727773615479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-39845121090147301772011-04-29T01:46:48.527-04:002011-04-29T01:46:48.527-04:00We just read that part this morning. I am sharing...We just read that part this morning. I am sharing this with the girls tomorrow. It really brings the point home. I know that is not a way that I want to die either.Pitterle Postingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02944899733768126383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-82471634942512255352011-04-29T01:43:42.578-04:002011-04-29T01:43:42.578-04:00LOVED this post!!! My brother in law made up a Bof...LOVED this post!!! My brother in law made up a BofM quiz game that he calls 'You don't know Shiz about the Book of Mormon' so the first part made me chuckle hearing his name.<br />But in all honesty, I struggle with this too with certain family members. After hearing Elder Packer's talk where he said, "Let it go", I decided to let go of my grudge, of my hurt feelings, of my anger and love the person I was having problems with. It's been difficult at times and we still butt heads and get hurt feelings sometimes but it is much better than before.Suzanne Maughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01699592381901194159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-74692655203949623202011-04-28T21:26:16.472-04:002011-04-28T21:26:16.472-04:00Thank you for sharing this! What a great lesson t...Thank you for sharing this! What a great lesson to be taken from this story. <br /><br />I grew up in the Harrisburg PA stake until I was 13. I found your blog recently and have really enjoyed what you have to say. Thanks for your efforts to contribute something meaningful through blogging!Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04906304401809606014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-7768985960379402412011-04-28T21:12:38.153-04:002011-04-28T21:12:38.153-04:00Really great post! Amazing!
Thanks for stopping b...Really great post! Amazing! <br />Thanks for stopping by and becoming a follower on my blog!!! I live in Fayette County, the southwestern part of PA! Our branch is tiny and it serves the entire county! It's nice to know other ladies are out there, sharing their testimonies! Keep it up! I live for the encouragement!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277430836512815857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-16305749780984506342011-04-28T19:42:32.065-04:002011-04-28T19:42:32.065-04:00Excellent post-that is one of the saddest stories ...Excellent post-that is one of the saddest stories in the scriptures. So many people died just because of pride and hatred. The really sad thing is that this keeps happening in our world. So many conflicts in the world stem from the same things as in Ether. So many innocent people have died for powerful people's pride. <br /><br />But I especially love how you applied it directly to us. How our lack of forgiveness can in a sense kill our relationships. That is a humbling thought-to be like Shiz-how awful!Curlshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06176883112936068271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-70656863846092554502011-04-28T19:08:47.593-04:002011-04-28T19:08:47.593-04:00Thanks again for an enlightening post. I myself ha...Thanks again for an enlightening post. I myself have felt sorrow over not being able to forgive another and or the other person not being able to forgive me. It can be deadly in a family. I will ponder on this and forward it to our family where our motto is "No Empty Chairs".<br />Blessings to you for a wonderful post!LeAnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18107717294803352571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-22877632462989514672011-04-28T16:06:20.844-04:002011-04-28T16:06:20.844-04:00I love your insight, thank you! Reminds me too of...I love your insight, thank you! Reminds me too of a quote I read this morning (I honestly don't know if the attribution for the quote is correct, but here it is):<br /><br />"...how readily we trade inner peace for something less, for some sort of upset. How readily we take offense and then escalate disturbance around us. How easily we have unsatisfied expectations of how others should treat us or what they should be doing for us...we are often not at rest, or at peace, in the principles of tolerance and love, of overlooking, of letting go, of forgiving." - M. Catherine Thomas<br /><br />It is so true that we often so willingly INVITE the contention/disturbance/lack of peace in our lives and then complain about it. We are such strange creatures to purposefully make ourselves miserable! (Guess that's the tendency of the natural man.)<br /><br />Anyway, I agree with your point too that it starts with the family! Every little bit makes a difference towards a better future. :)Melaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15338142024644216875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-81419414363629910852011-04-28T15:59:35.665-04:002011-04-28T15:59:35.665-04:00Oh my goodness, I LOVED this post!!!! My 13 year o...Oh my goodness, I LOVED this post!!!! My 13 year old son LOVES that part of the Book of Mormon... I can't wait to share your post for FHE. I tend to hold grudges, especially against family members and I really needed to hear this :) Thanks, I don't want to DIE LIKE SHIZ!!Lacy@uphillandsmilinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11671062696804015655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-46058387119285560682011-04-28T14:39:15.738-04:002011-04-28T14:39:15.738-04:00Thank you for this post! We were just speaking wit...Thank you for this post! We were just speaking with one another about a family situation that has been hard to get past. We never would have looked at these verses in that context. You have given us so much to think about. Also, we would wish we could have seen the Oscar worthy performance...lol.Sistas in Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10105692264350473341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-80946170793952812332011-04-28T14:07:56.555-04:002011-04-28T14:07:56.555-04:00Wonderful story and excellent insights.
I laughed...Wonderful story and excellent insights.<br /><br />I laughed out loud when I saw the title of your post.<br /><br />=DSusan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16049586085703324088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-49283591739402217052011-04-28T13:49:02.344-04:002011-04-28T13:49:02.344-04:00good thoughts, I'm publishing my book today FH...good thoughts, I'm publishing my book today FHE for Empty Nesters and Singles which I hope can strengthen and bring the blessings of Family Home Evenings to those in their more mature years...Great Grandma Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791149428495689835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-22224122670031509682011-04-28T13:14:57.519-04:002011-04-28T13:14:57.519-04:00This was such a super great analogy. Too bad I di...This was such a super great analogy. Too bad I didn't get to see the dramatic object lesson like your husband did;)Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896293949728093187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-88088232931963097672011-04-28T13:03:57.993-04:002011-04-28T13:03:57.993-04:00Oh, THANK YOU!! This is a VERY timely reminder fo...Oh, THANK YOU!! This is a VERY timely reminder for me. We're almost to that part of Ether in our family scripture study and I'm struggling with a 13 yr-old who feels it's necessary, vital even, to be rude/mean to a former friend who is being mean to another girl. Last night we had a LONG conversation about bold, firm politeness as a way combat cruelty, but she insisted that anything short of vengeance was the weak way out of the situation and ineffective. And, of course I as her mother and former teenager, couldn't possibly understand. *sign* I think I shall reenact that scene for a FHE very soon! Thank you again!Anna Stoelting Daileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11950294813374694507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-29760705240774590692011-04-28T12:44:22.319-04:002011-04-28T12:44:22.319-04:00Great thoughts on this story. I've been ponder...Great thoughts on this story. I've been pondering it too lately.Michaela Stephenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04163084369311708249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-5558279147767950542011-04-28T12:04:38.420-04:002011-04-28T12:04:38.420-04:00I love this! I remember my seminary teacher doing...I love this! I remember my seminary teacher doing a particularly dramatic reenactment of Shiz's death as well. It was a highlight of the year! ;)<br /><br />I have to say, this part of the BofM also struck me pretty forcefully this time through. Up to now I think my brain glossed over the numbers and I just thought "yes, a lot of people died..." But when I read those numbers this time - 2 MILLION! - I was on the verge of tears as the reality of it hit me. So many lives wasted, down to the last two remaining souls in their civilization, and still no sign of repentance. <br /><br />When I started the book of Ether a week or so ago, I asked my husband "why do we have this record? It goes so quick - it just seems like a fast-forwarded account of who killed who until there was no one left. What's the point of including that?" He said that obviously Heavenly Father wants us to know about these people as an example of what wickedness can do. By the time I finished it this time through, I understood. I can now say that I truly have a testimony of the book of Ether. Their story is such a tragedy - and one that we need to be fully aware of in our day.<br /><br />Thanks for your post (as always!)Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089820242701950669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-62568942853344117472011-04-28T12:03:56.738-04:002011-04-28T12:03:56.738-04:00Thank you! I totally needed this today. I'm to...Thank you! I totally needed this today. I'm totally loving the month of Jocelyn so far!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372294587119259112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-36245409227137389572011-04-28T12:02:56.338-04:002011-04-28T12:02:56.338-04:00Of all the stories I've ever personally connec...Of all the stories I've ever personally connected to... Shiz wasn't among them! But I love your connection. Thanks for sharing!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02881734963401294721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-54095448632792889102011-04-28T11:05:33.567-04:002011-04-28T11:05:33.567-04:00As I was reading, I was really enjoying it and thi...As I was reading, I was really enjoying it and thinking about the last time I read this account in the BoM. BUT!! I got to the end and I realized that you went a completely different way than I had expected. It was perfect! While I am not personally struggling with forgiveness at the moment, it made me think of a dear friend who recently expressed concern on the matter. I'm going to send her the link to this post. Awesomeness!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16400555419570849445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-37204967455748786482011-04-28T10:56:15.511-04:002011-04-28T10:56:15.511-04:00This is my favorite gorey story of all time. My gr...This is my favorite gorey story of all time. My grandmother use to tell us about having chicken, chopping off their heads and how their bodies would run about a bit before keeling over dead...ready for processing. Somehow, visualizing that scene as a child, made the Shiz story so real. Shiz...it's a swearword? I thought it came from Wicked which is really apropos. Don't you think?Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300961190388848899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-50398148844699360432011-04-28T10:27:47.440-04:002011-04-28T10:27:47.440-04:00Wonderful insight! This story also causes me conce...Wonderful insight! This story also causes me concern over what it happening to the children. It seems that the Jaredites were so surrounded by bloodshed and hatred that is was the norm, the 'order' of the day. I worry that our own children, particularly our sons, are so surrounded by violence and bloodshed in the media,through entertainment, on the playground etc. that is becoming, if it hasn't already, a societal norm. The Book of Mormon clearly teaches the outcome of such norms. Again, as you so perfectly stated, I think the answer is to strengthen and protect our families. I often think of Capt. Moroni who 'abhorred' violence in all of its forms and was yet the strong, courageous and protective at all costs leader that he needed to be. This is the way I am hoping my sons will follow, not the world's way. Okay - this comment is way too long! :) Thanks for listening to my rambles - great post!Stephanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12907993670838058684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9047346872529008758.post-44306071729978497102011-04-28T10:23:25.533-04:002011-04-28T10:23:25.533-04:00Thank you so much for your insight. I had never t...Thank you so much for your insight. I had never thought about family grudges that way!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04510152305300323162noreply@blogger.com